throttle bodies and plenums
#1
throttle bodies and plenums
It seems like a common question in 4.6l 2v world, is what throttle body or plenum will yield the most horse power. This thread is aimed more for naturaly aspirated bolt on cars, but I will include dyno sheets for forced induction applications as well.
The common question (especialy by individuals just begining to mod their cars) is how big of a throttle body do i need, and what company makes the best throttle bodies and plenums, and what are the best combos.
Forced Induction applications will react more to upgraded throttle body and plenums, but naturaly aspirated applications will react as high to simple mods such as this.
I am going to start right away by saying that C&L plenums combined with a 75mm throttle body, make the best results on a naturaly aspirated bolt on gt.
car 1
2002 gt
C&L plenum and 75mm BBK throttle body were added
the car already had the following........
C&L 85mm Mass Airflow System with C&L inlet pipe
Under-drive pullies
Timing adjuster set to 12 degrees
Off-road X-pipe with Mil Eliminators
Magnaflow 2 1/2" cat-back exhaust
before plenum and throttle body- 263.5 horse power and 301.38 torque
After plenum and throttle body- 277.5 horse power and 318 torque
That is a 14 horse power gain and a 17 ft lb of torque gain
link to dyno sheets
C&L Intake Plenum For 2V 4.6L Mustangs
Back up pulls were done and a pull was done with a 70mm throttle body which resulted in a 3 horse power loss.
car 2
2003 gt
K&N Cone Filter
Under-drive pullies
Timing adjuster at 12 Degrees
Mac Pro-Chamber H-pipe
Baseline- 257.2 HP and 298.2 ft/lb of torque
with C&L plenum and 7mm tb- 266 HP and 307 ft/lb of torque
gain of 8.8 HP and 8 ft/lbs of torque
again a 70mm tb was swapped on and a 3 horse power loss was seen
link
C&L Intake Plenum For 2V 4.6L Mustangs
supercharged application car 3
2000 gt
10# P1sc S/C kit with a 3 core intercooler
42# injectors
Euro Focus pump (returnless friendly and flows 260+ lph)
Lightning 90mm MAF
Bassani cat-back
Air/Fuel Ratio graph from the dyno testing of Dan Hourigan's Supercharged Mustang GT
MAC off road H-pipe
Custom tuned Autologic chip
C&L plenum+ 75mm bbk tb gained 15- 20 horse power
link
http://www.cnlperformance.com/plenum07.html
car 4
NON PI 1997 automatic gt
Gains ranged anywhere from 7-10 rear wheel horsepower, depending on engine RPM.
Torque was improved by as much as 10-15 Ft/Lbs in the low to mid RPM's, with an average improvement of around 5 ft/lbs throughout the upper RPM's.
link
http://www.cnlperformance.com/plenum09.html
MOdular DEpot did a show down between trickflow, accufab, dragon, and C&L
StockAccufabC&LDragonTrick Flow
RWHP265.97272.38 (+6.31)271.13 (+5.16)270.69 (+4.72)270.19 (+4.22)
RWTQ303.54310.42 (+6.88)306.05 (+2.51)307.27 (+3.73)306.61 (+3.07)
these were done with a accufab 75mm throttle body
modular stated that they would have crowned accufab winner but the results vary from car to car that it could change. I reality all plenums were fairly close.
link
The Plenum Showdown Part II
I hope this thread has helped provide some good info, and crush the theory that a 75mm is to much for a bolt on gt.
The common question (especialy by individuals just begining to mod their cars) is how big of a throttle body do i need, and what company makes the best throttle bodies and plenums, and what are the best combos.
Forced Induction applications will react more to upgraded throttle body and plenums, but naturaly aspirated applications will react as high to simple mods such as this.
I am going to start right away by saying that C&L plenums combined with a 75mm throttle body, make the best results on a naturaly aspirated bolt on gt.
car 1
2002 gt
C&L plenum and 75mm BBK throttle body were added
the car already had the following........
C&L 85mm Mass Airflow System with C&L inlet pipe
Under-drive pullies
Timing adjuster set to 12 degrees
Off-road X-pipe with Mil Eliminators
Magnaflow 2 1/2" cat-back exhaust
before plenum and throttle body- 263.5 horse power and 301.38 torque
After plenum and throttle body- 277.5 horse power and 318 torque
That is a 14 horse power gain and a 17 ft lb of torque gain
link to dyno sheets
C&L Intake Plenum For 2V 4.6L Mustangs
Back up pulls were done and a pull was done with a 70mm throttle body which resulted in a 3 horse power loss.
car 2
2003 gt
K&N Cone Filter
Under-drive pullies
Timing adjuster at 12 Degrees
Mac Pro-Chamber H-pipe
Baseline- 257.2 HP and 298.2 ft/lb of torque
with C&L plenum and 7mm tb- 266 HP and 307 ft/lb of torque
gain of 8.8 HP and 8 ft/lbs of torque
again a 70mm tb was swapped on and a 3 horse power loss was seen
link
C&L Intake Plenum For 2V 4.6L Mustangs
supercharged application car 3
2000 gt
10# P1sc S/C kit with a 3 core intercooler
42# injectors
Euro Focus pump (returnless friendly and flows 260+ lph)
Lightning 90mm MAF
Bassani cat-back
Air/Fuel Ratio graph from the dyno testing of Dan Hourigan's Supercharged Mustang GT
MAC off road H-pipe
Custom tuned Autologic chip
C&L plenum+ 75mm bbk tb gained 15- 20 horse power
link
http://www.cnlperformance.com/plenum07.html
car 4
NON PI 1997 automatic gt
Gains ranged anywhere from 7-10 rear wheel horsepower, depending on engine RPM.
Torque was improved by as much as 10-15 Ft/Lbs in the low to mid RPM's, with an average improvement of around 5 ft/lbs throughout the upper RPM's.
link
http://www.cnlperformance.com/plenum09.html
MOdular DEpot did a show down between trickflow, accufab, dragon, and C&L
StockAccufabC&LDragonTrick Flow
RWHP265.97272.38 (+6.31)271.13 (+5.16)270.69 (+4.72)270.19 (+4.22)
RWTQ303.54310.42 (+6.88)306.05 (+2.51)307.27 (+3.73)306.61 (+3.07)
these were done with a accufab 75mm throttle body
modular stated that they would have crowned accufab winner but the results vary from car to car that it could change. I reality all plenums were fairly close.
link
The Plenum Showdown Part II
I hope this thread has helped provide some good info, and crush the theory that a 75mm is to much for a bolt on gt.
#2
I am a little confused. Towards the begining you state that the C&L plenum combined with a 75mm TB will make the most power. However, later you provide data that shows the Accufab plenum providing a better gain. Reading it again I can see that maybe the point was to show that a 75mm TB will always provide a better gain than a 70mm TB, but it may need some clarification. Also, we need to find some data on the 78mm BBK TB/Plenum combo. Bryan50Rogers on YouTube did a video where BBK installed it on his car and with before and after dyno runs, it was about 13 or 14 HP gain.
#3
I am a little confused. Towards the begining you state that the C&L plenum combined with a 75mm TB will make the most power. However, later you provide data that shows the Accufab plenum providing a better gain. Reading it again I can see that maybe the point was to show that a 75mm TB will always provide a better gain than a 70mm TB, but it may need some clarification. Also, we need to find some data on the 78mm BBK TB/Plenum combo. Bryan50Rogers on YouTube did a video where BBK installed it on his car and with before and after dyno runs, it was about 13 or 14 HP gain.
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