View Poll Results: What are your 5.4L swap plans?
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#3391
After reinstalling the clutch 3 times, Ive come to the conclusion that the PP is just FUCKED to put it nicely. Brand new spec stage 2. Ive installed around 30 clutches or so in mustangs and never had an issue, so Im sure the install is correct. The clutch disk is fine so it kinda rules it out. Flywheel is fine. All engagement parts have been replaced and adjusted correctly.
I have a 10.5" king cobra PP with spec stage 2 disk on the way. Gonna install it and go. However, after driving the car for a bit(hoping it would wear enough to disengage completly) the car feels VERY strong.
I have a 10.5" king cobra PP with spec stage 2 disk on the way. Gonna install it and go. However, after driving the car for a bit(hoping it would wear enough to disengage completly) the car feels VERY strong.
#3393
SIDENOTE: I have read stories on the net of people putting disks and flywheels/flexplates on backwards. HOW? The flywheel is dished and the disk will not go on but one way. I dont get how someone can mess up something that should be impossible.
#3394
Never had my clutch apart on my 4.6 but id assume a clutch is a clutch and on my old 5.0 the proper way to put in the clutch was less then obvious for the disk ---well can be overlooked----
I b D Flat side of disk facing pressureplate
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Flywheel disk pressure plate
Not I d D
' ' '
Flywheel disk pressure plate
The little "Lip" on the disk in the center where it sticks up an inch is not supposed to fit into the hole in flywheel where the flywheel is bolted to the block is what im saying. The flat surface goes on flywheel surface and the side that sticks out an inch goes pressure plate side. I have made the mistake before but never tried running it dont remember at what point the light bulb came on but i do remember going UGH i cant believe i did that!.
Hope the diagram made sence:P
Its probably not the problem you have but hey maybe someone that has never done a clutch install can get some clarification on how to's from the post:P
Btw redneck its awesome you been keeping with this after 100s of pages nice to see. I read them all been following for a couple months now just decided to post.
I emailed Bob Hardin at hps about intake he told me 6-8 weeks and a ticket price around $795.
If this thing puts out decent power i will probably be doing the swap after long tubes are available cant do it before as my supercharger will be suffocated.
Intercooled vortech stock block long tubes ceramic coated high flow catted h pipe dynomax mufflers (hey i like em:P) Custom Cai lightning maf installed by davenport racing
dyno'd at 418 rwhp 408tq
Before Headers and high flowing h pipe install and sc i dyno'd something like 230 rwhp
No boost guage but i believe its pullied the factory h/o kit 9-10 pounds:P
Something worked really well in the combo they said its far more then they have experianced in the past with other installs.
Basically im pondering a forged 5.0 aluminum stroker or the 5.4 forged if the intake and headers work well....I want to run 14 psi and possibly methanol injection
Thoughts on the different engines?
Will longjevity be better in the 5.4 as its not a stroker?
I live in canada so gas is a big issue at 110 a litre:P will the 5.4 be much worse on gas?
I go to the track usually 1s a week in season so weight is an issue too.
Will a 5.4 4v stuff in? No intake options though right?
Will ported 2v heads flow enough under boost? they seem to now but i have not turned up the wick yet either:P
I b D Flat side of disk facing pressureplate
' ' '
Flywheel disk pressure plate
Not I d D
' ' '
Flywheel disk pressure plate
The little "Lip" on the disk in the center where it sticks up an inch is not supposed to fit into the hole in flywheel where the flywheel is bolted to the block is what im saying. The flat surface goes on flywheel surface and the side that sticks out an inch goes pressure plate side. I have made the mistake before but never tried running it dont remember at what point the light bulb came on but i do remember going UGH i cant believe i did that!.
Hope the diagram made sence:P
Its probably not the problem you have but hey maybe someone that has never done a clutch install can get some clarification on how to's from the post:P
Btw redneck its awesome you been keeping with this after 100s of pages nice to see. I read them all been following for a couple months now just decided to post.
I emailed Bob Hardin at hps about intake he told me 6-8 weeks and a ticket price around $795.
If this thing puts out decent power i will probably be doing the swap after long tubes are available cant do it before as my supercharger will be suffocated.
Intercooled vortech stock block long tubes ceramic coated high flow catted h pipe dynomax mufflers (hey i like em:P) Custom Cai lightning maf installed by davenport racing
dyno'd at 418 rwhp 408tq
Before Headers and high flowing h pipe install and sc i dyno'd something like 230 rwhp
No boost guage but i believe its pullied the factory h/o kit 9-10 pounds:P
Something worked really well in the combo they said its far more then they have experianced in the past with other installs.
Basically im pondering a forged 5.0 aluminum stroker or the 5.4 forged if the intake and headers work well....I want to run 14 psi and possibly methanol injection
Thoughts on the different engines?
Will longjevity be better in the 5.4 as its not a stroker?
I live in canada so gas is a big issue at 110 a litre:P will the 5.4 be much worse on gas?
I go to the track usually 1s a week in season so weight is an issue too.
Will a 5.4 4v stuff in? No intake options though right?
Will ported 2v heads flow enough under boost? they seem to now but i have not turned up the wick yet either:P
#3396
Originally Posted by completenewb
I emailed Bob Hardin at hps about intake he told me 6-8 weeks and a ticket price around $795.
If this thing puts out decent power i will probably be doing the swap after long tubes are available cant do it before as my supercharger will be suffocated.
Intercooled vortech stock block long tubes ceramic coated high flow catted h pipe dynomax mufflers (hey i like em:P) Custom Cai lightning maf installed by davenport racing
dyno'd at 418 rwhp 408tq
Before Headers and high flowing h pipe install and sc i dyno'd something like 230 rwhp
No boost guage but i believe its pullied the factory h/o kit 9-10 pounds:P
Something worked really well in the combo they said its far more then they have experianced in the past with other installs.
Basically im pondering a forged 5.0 aluminum stroker or the 5.4 forged if the intake and headers work well....I want to run 14 psi and possibly methanol injection
If this thing puts out decent power i will probably be doing the swap after long tubes are available cant do it before as my supercharger will be suffocated.
Intercooled vortech stock block long tubes ceramic coated high flow catted h pipe dynomax mufflers (hey i like em:P) Custom Cai lightning maf installed by davenport racing
dyno'd at 418 rwhp 408tq
Before Headers and high flowing h pipe install and sc i dyno'd something like 230 rwhp
No boost guage but i believe its pullied the factory h/o kit 9-10 pounds:P
Something worked really well in the combo they said its far more then they have experianced in the past with other installs.
Basically im pondering a forged 5.0 aluminum stroker or the 5.4 forged if the intake and headers work well....I want to run 14 psi and possibly methanol injection
Originally Posted by completenewb
Thoughts on the different engines?
Will longjevity be better in the 5.4 as its not a stroker?
I live in canada so gas is a big issue at 110 a litre:P will the 5.4 be much worse on gas?
I go to the track usually 1s a week in season so weight is an issue too.
Will a 5.4 4v stuff in? No intake options though right?
Will ported 2v heads flow enough under boost? they seem to now but i have not turned up the wick yet either:P
Will longjevity be better in the 5.4 as its not a stroker?
I live in canada so gas is a big issue at 110 a litre:P will the 5.4 be much worse on gas?
I go to the track usually 1s a week in season so weight is an issue too.
Will a 5.4 4v stuff in? No intake options though right?
Will ported 2v heads flow enough under boost? they seem to now but i have not turned up the wick yet either:P
In order:
1. the 5.4 is a SUPER stroker but it's better designed to have the long stroke than a 3.7" stroke 4.6.
2. Fuel mileage in normal driving is no worse than the 4.6 in my experience. When you get your foot in it, things get substantially nastier than the 4.6 but , remember fuel burn is a function of HP generated so if your foot isn't in it deep it's no thirstier than a 4.6. I average 1-2mpg difference but sometimes it's better by that much and sometimes worse by that much.
3. total weight gain should be in the 80lb range. The gain in power and torque is more than worth it NA. Supercharged is like OMFG! that's fast.
4. 5.4 stuffs right in. You'll have very few challenges of any substance during the install. We'll need to help you out with some contacts for the mounting bracket for the blower and that's about it.
5. I recommend either Fox Lake or TEA for heads. Yes, ported 2v heads are plenty, and the blower makes them almost a non-issue anyway. Still, the 5.4 block needs as much flow as you can get from the 2v heads so stage 3 race porting is good. You're not going to have to worry about low end grunt anyway.
#3397
Anyone have any experiance with mmr short/longblocks?
They seem pretty decent price in comparison to others just wondering if the quality is there web site and racing history seem to show they have a good product. Just wondering if anyone has purchased a lemon or heard much about them. The heads flow p/p basically same as fox lake..
thanks
They seem pretty decent price in comparison to others just wondering if the quality is there web site and racing history seem to show they have a good product. Just wondering if anyone has purchased a lemon or heard much about them. The heads flow p/p basically same as fox lake..
thanks
Last edited by completenewb; 01-12-2008 at 03:47 PM.
#3398
oh yah about the aluminum engine....savings something like 60 pounds..? so if i tack on 80 pounds for 5.4 thats 140 pounds on the front of my car difference between engines......10 pounds= 1 horsepower so need 14 more horse just to break even.
Id like to get aluminum 5.4 but dear god 4 grand for a block is a bit/alot much:P
Coulda sworn i saw a 5.8 modular on mmr racing but cant seem to find it...Anyone heard of a 5.8 modular?
Id like to get aluminum 5.4 but dear god 4 grand for a block is a bit/alot much:P
Coulda sworn i saw a 5.8 modular on mmr racing but cant seem to find it...Anyone heard of a 5.8 modular?
#3399
ahh its on the home page http://www.modularmustangracing.com/ 351r 5.8L modular engine block $3300:P
MMR stage 2 2v heads flow 227 192 and cost $1399 and fox lake flow 223 195 and cost $1795 -----I think MMR is more of a bargain....:P however mmr has factory valves springs retainers and locks and stock cams (no core charge they use brand new heads!)
Upgrade to MMR stainless Steel swirl polished valves $269.99 Upgrade to Comp high performance springs $239.99
where fox lake has Ferrea oversized valves, Manley hi-rev springs, solid bronze guides, Vit
seals (does not include cams) and they want your core
Dunno whats the better bargain? ?
I know i would do all the upgrades..
MMR stage 2 2v heads flow 227 192 and cost $1399 and fox lake flow 223 195 and cost $1795 -----I think MMR is more of a bargain....:P however mmr has factory valves springs retainers and locks and stock cams (no core charge they use brand new heads!)
Upgrade to MMR stainless Steel swirl polished valves $269.99 Upgrade to Comp high performance springs $239.99
where fox lake has Ferrea oversized valves, Manley hi-rev springs, solid bronze guides, Vit
seals (does not include cams) and they want your core
Dunno whats the better bargain? ?
I know i would do all the upgrades..
Last edited by completenewb; 01-12-2008 at 03:48 PM.
#3403
Anyone have any experiance with mmr short/longblocks?
They seem pretty decent price in comparison to others just wondering if the quality is there web site and racing history seem to show they have a good product. Just wondering if anyone has purchased a lemon or heard much about them. The heads flow p/p basically same as fox lake..
thanks
They seem pretty decent price in comparison to others just wondering if the quality is there web site and racing history seem to show they have a good product. Just wondering if anyone has purchased a lemon or heard much about them. The heads flow p/p basically same as fox lake..
thanks
Generally pleased with them.
#3404
the 03 cobra heads were different... you should run that by the guys at Kar-Kraft and see which heads they're meant to fit. I'd bet they would but they may require a little tweaking... never know.
#3405
For heads, there are exactly two places I'll ever go to because of the caliber of people that recommend them: TEA (Total Engine Airflow) and Fox Lake. In either case you can be assured of outstanding performance. I have Fox Lake with the bigger Ferrea valves and Comp springs.
#3406
Well the RR plates are made for either application correct? Just need a port matching?
#3407
This a decent deal?
MMR 5.4 Street Mod 900 (up to 900HP)
*Cast Iron 5.4. Block Block
*New 4340 Forged 4.165 stroke Crankshaft w/micro polished journals at no extra charge
*New 4340 6.658 Manley H-beam Rods ( These US made rods are shotpeened, magnafluxed and weight matched to bring you the finest H-beam rod available for your 5.4
*New Forged Manley pistons 3.552 Bore size (High or low compression)
*Speed Pro file fit rings (precision file fit to your application, nitrous, blower, turbo or N/A)
*Speed Pro/Federal Mogul Rod and Main bearings
*Complete Pro Assembly and Balancing for the smoothest, highest revving shortblock available.
Shortblock Options:
Coated Pistons (ceramic dome/teflon skirt) $399.99
Upgrade to MMR block side bolts (recommended for 500+ HP) +$44.99
MMR Street/Racing Oil Pump (highly recommended) + $179.99
ARP Headstuds and MMR/Felpro Extreme Duty Headgaskets + $369.99
ARP Mainstuds (recommended for 600+HP) +169.99
MMR windage tray and hardware kit (+15HP) + 129.99
$2899
MMR 5.4 Street Mod 900 (up to 900HP)
*Cast Iron 5.4. Block Block
*New 4340 Forged 4.165 stroke Crankshaft w/micro polished journals at no extra charge
*New 4340 6.658 Manley H-beam Rods ( These US made rods are shotpeened, magnafluxed and weight matched to bring you the finest H-beam rod available for your 5.4
*New Forged Manley pistons 3.552 Bore size (High or low compression)
*Speed Pro file fit rings (precision file fit to your application, nitrous, blower, turbo or N/A)
*Speed Pro/Federal Mogul Rod and Main bearings
*Complete Pro Assembly and Balancing for the smoothest, highest revving shortblock available.
Shortblock Options:
Coated Pistons (ceramic dome/teflon skirt) $399.99
Upgrade to MMR block side bolts (recommended for 500+ HP) +$44.99
MMR Street/Racing Oil Pump (highly recommended) + $179.99
ARP Headstuds and MMR/Felpro Extreme Duty Headgaskets + $369.99
ARP Mainstuds (recommended for 600+HP) +169.99
MMR windage tray and hardware kit (+15HP) + 129.99
$2899
#3408
for all brand new stuff and assembled i say its a good deal... i was going to use that but then.. came across my gig.... so ya... i would go that rroute but make sure you get the headstuds and gaskets and mainstuds, and i would do the oil pump upgrade too... so that way your ready to go for a alot of boost, and dont have to worry about nothing in your shortblock....
#3410
Add the main studs and make sure they're using H-series bearings. I have a pretty similar setup on my block.
#3411
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-Fo...2em118Q2el1247
00 lightning longblock minus the supercharger, 86k miles $950 obo
I wish I had the money I would buy this in a heartbeat
00 lightning longblock minus the supercharger, 86k miles $950 obo
I wish I had the money I would buy this in a heartbeat
#3412
R3D, question for ya.
Using the shortblock on the bottom of the page, http://www.karkraft.com/short_blocks.htm , what kind of compression do you estimate the motor would run w/ ported heads, agressive street cams, 5.4 HPS intake and longtubes and what #'s would you estimate?
If the link doesn't work, its a new 5.4 4v shortblock w/ flat top pistons and a steel 8 bolt crank.
Using the shortblock on the bottom of the page, http://www.karkraft.com/short_blocks.htm , what kind of compression do you estimate the motor would run w/ ported heads, agressive street cams, 5.4 HPS intake and longtubes and what #'s would you estimate?
If the link doesn't work, its a new 5.4 4v shortblock w/ flat top pistons and a steel 8 bolt crank.
#3415
R3D, question for ya.
Using the shortblock on the bottom of the page, http://www.karkraft.com/short_blocks.htm , what kind of compression do you estimate the motor would run w/ ported heads, agressive street cams, 5.4 HPS intake and longtubes and what #'s would you estimate?
If the link doesn't work, its a new 5.4 4v shortblock w/ flat top pistons and a steel 8 bolt crank.
Using the shortblock on the bottom of the page, http://www.karkraft.com/short_blocks.htm , what kind of compression do you estimate the motor would run w/ ported heads, agressive street cams, 5.4 HPS intake and longtubes and what #'s would you estimate?
If the link doesn't work, its a new 5.4 4v shortblock w/ flat top pistons and a steel 8 bolt crank.
#3419
Are the marks in the top of the piston from hitting the valves. If they are they had to of stayed into it for a long time, till that rod gave way. My 4.6 windowed both sides of the block too.
#3420
R3D, question for ya.
Using the shortblock on the bottom of the page, http://www.karkraft.com/short_blocks.htm , what kind of compression do you estimate the motor would run w/ ported heads, agressive street cams, 5.4 HPS intake and longtubes and what #'s would you estimate?
If the link doesn't work, its a new 5.4 4v shortblock w/ flat top pistons and a steel 8 bolt crank.
Using the shortblock on the bottom of the page, http://www.karkraft.com/short_blocks.htm , what kind of compression do you estimate the motor would run w/ ported heads, agressive street cams, 5.4 HPS intake and longtubes and what #'s would you estimate?
If the link doesn't work, its a new 5.4 4v shortblock w/ flat top pistons and a steel 8 bolt crank.
All steel connecting rods are forged. Just some are stronger than others. Most aluminum and titanium rods are CNC billet.
That's a fact jack. Only the Ford GT and 2000 Cobra R came with 5.4's with something else and those were Manley and carillo respectively. The Ford GT's H-beams are nice.
that makes me a sad panda.